2013 Week 12 Discussion

i will have to back gruden on this one, without knowing the whole story, evr since i have been here, which i have been a member of this dynasty for about a year i guess, little under it i guess... i have NEVER once heard him complain about losing a game, not once... so i have to feel like he has a legitimate gripe, and at the same time i dont want you to think im just throwing the new guy udner the bus Grey, just saying the whole time i have been here, i have NEVER heard gruden complain about a game once...

majority of the game? lol i played sim the whole game...your acting like a victim...like i was backed into a hole and said to myself "damn i might lose, let me do this cheesey play so i can win" I don't play like that.

see the thing i don't get is this. i did that sweep pitch play three times all game. once in the first quarter, which you stuffed for a 2 yard loss. then in the third quarter, i gained maybe 4 yards. and then that last "pitch play in question". i was consistent with wut i was doing all game. from my first drive. i set up the sweep to i could do a counter...your defenders stuffed it and stayed at home and you didn't have a problem then.

i couldnt stop your three plays either. and you did do three plays all game basically. you would come out with a 2 wr set...audible into either a run play to the left which you tried to cut back when i overpursued, your cross across the middle which i should have picked off 2 other times, and the formation where you lined up in shotgun, with two backs and two wr and either passed it to Bronson on an out, or your FB who zags across the middle. But you did that all game long. when i would show blitz you would throw it to the same corner play everytime. your playbook consisted of 4 plays basically and if i had lost i wouldnt have got on the board and complained

"WTF THATS BS...THATS NOT SIM...NO TEAM RUNS 4 PLAYS ALL GAME... ETC ETC"

and in terms of the rolling my qb out and passing to my rb in the flat...thats not cheesey. sorry to tell you...but ive run that play on gator and bucc and they both shut me down. Its not my fault you stay in man on man converage all game long. I have a mobile qb. Im not gna sit back there and pocket pass. Thats not how i play.

and gator whether he's ever complained before or not...doesnt mean hes right or im right. i played Mid Tennessee State and Arizona the same way i played Washington and both Gator and Bucc shut it down and had no problem with it. So i dnt kno wut you want me to tell you Gruden.

llcoolgrey wrote:

majority of the game? llol i played sim the whole game.your acting like a victim...like i was backed into a hole and said to myself "damn i might lose, let me do this cheesey play so i can win" I don't play like that.

see the thing i don't get is this. i did that sweep pitch play three times all game. once in the first quarter, which you stuffed for a 2 yard loss. then in the third quarter, i gained maybe 4 yards. and then that last "pitch play in question". i was consistent with wut i was doing all game. from my first drive. i set up the sweep to i could do a counter...your defenders stuffed it and stayed at home and you didn't have a problem then.

i couldnt stop your three plays either. and you did do three plays all game basically. you would come out with a 2 wr set...audible into either a run play to the left which you tried to cut back when i overpursued, your cross across the middle which i should have picked off 2 other times, and the formation where you lined up in shotgun, with two backs and two wr and either passed it to Bronson on an out, or your FB who zags across the middle. But you did that all game long. when i would show blitz you would throw it to the same corner play everytime. your playbook consisted of 4 plays basically and if i had lost i wouldnt have got on the board and complained

"WTF THATS BS...THATS NOT SIM...NO TEAM RUNS 4 PLAYS ALL GAME... ETC ETC"

and in terms of the rolling my qb out and passing to my rb in the flat...thats not cheesey. sorry to tell you...but ive run that play on gator and bucc and they both shut me down. Its not my fault you stay in man on man converage all game long. I have a mobile qb. Im not gna sit back there and pocket pass. Thats not how i play.

I couldn't get past that first line...right bro, your SIM as they come...

did you not read boonedock cracking on you for you 4 wide sprint pass to the flat?....wake up man....

thanks i'm glad real recognize real...bc your prolly the closest sim player i have ever met in the history of sim players with your coming out in a 4wr set then you audible to one of 3 or 4 plays.

llcoolgrey wrote:

thanks i'm glad real recognize real...bc your prolly the closest sim player i have ever met in the history of sim players with your coming out in a 4wr set then you audible to one of 3 or 4 plays.

what are you talking about....by the way...Bucc and Tiatan are probable the nicest guys you will ever meet, me on the other hand am a bitch, and I don't care for this shit....you can throw Goat into the crowd of nice guys...would you like some PORK?

sorry i just think your being a sore loser

so i dont think ill wake up. if you wanna take shots at me like im fucking stupid thats fine. the bottom line is all i care about. thanks

llcoolgrey wrote:

sorry i just think your being a sore loser

so i dont think ill wake up. if you wanna take shots at me like im fucking stupid thats fine. the bottom line is all i care about. thanks

You have completely exhausted and confused me, I'm going to go paint my toe nails..

paint them black, grow your hair over your eyes and tell people your emo

llcoolgrey wrote:

paint them black, grow your hair over your eyes and tell people your emo

first fucking normal thing you have said all night...

i have my moments

llcoolgrey wrote:

i have my moments

apparently, wanna hug?

only if you tell Jeremy Piven to tell us to "Hug it out Bitch"

llcoolgrey wrote:

only if you tell Jeremy Piven to tell us to "Hug it out Bitch"

I'm fine with that.....cheater LOL... seriously bro your are a tough opponent, and when EA allows plays that aren't realistic, playing a tough player makes it very hard...

call me Joey Grecco (hopefully you watch that show and know what im talking about)

your equally as tough and equally as cheater. seriously bro were like brothers from another mother

ok so i get up to 5 pages and im reading all this... so i go watch the videos.. the first play is ea bullshit..thats was just stupid.. off a mans helmet.. lol just funny.. but in that first video thats a late pitch.. the second video again really late pitch.. and the third video wasnt a designed roll out and u had no pressure.. now that being said.. i dont kno how much those plays affected the whole game i mean other than the td pitch.. but grey u must not have known but we threw a guy out for using georgia tech and exploiting the late pitch.. u cant do it its super cheap..just like in real life u have to decide.. if the defender is coming to u than pitch and get blown up.. but u cant engage the tackle than pitch thats bullshit and not sim at all.. in ur video u posted the qb pitched the ball right before he gets blown up not after he is being tree hugged than throwing it out..grey i understand ur fustration when u win and ppl complain. but his are legit.. u didnt get flushed out the pocket and u didnt call a designed roll out thats u dashing out the pocket to complete a pass to a back that ea will not allow u to cover ever! and then the late pitches are like murder.. u just cant do it.. its kind of an exploit i think it was macc got beat to a user who did that to him all game and then we threw him out cause its uber gay..im gonna throw out the results.. and just replay..grey i kno ur probably pissed but i played macc one year and he complained about some shit n he was just and we played it over..i won again but i had to honor his argument.. and in this situation u need to do the same..if ur better just play over and if u win than it doesnt matter.. if u lose than so be it but it is whats fair..that late pitch in this game is total bullshit when these qb's run the option u make a decsion and then u go with it.. ther is no tackle animation lol when u get tackled u go down u dont get the chance to throw the ball out of there before u hit the ground.... sorry..

Ax i am not option city. I don't use it all game like this guy who you kicked out. On the video where he clogs up the hole and i pitched for a 7 yard gain...how is that exploiting the game? I don't get it. I'm not allowed to run a speed option in ace form? So if i hike it and roll left and he immediately breaks through my line, im supposed to eat that for a loss when i have a wide open hb whose supposed to be on a speed option? Makes me think i'm not allowed to ever use the option play. When you say you need to decide like real life, well real life QB's do pitch it when theyre being tackled, not after the fact. I really don't use it religiously like i exploit. I reacted on a play i called given the situation.

Add to the fact that his starting WR got hurt for the game in the first minute...so i suppose well just throw that out also?

I'll replay the game if we have to...but his WR Cooper is gna need to sit out the game, call it acedemic ineligibility. Bc that's fuckin bullshit.

Also, Gruden is going to have to not do the same fuckin three audible plays all game. he needs to diversify his playbook. If were putting my shit under the microscope and pointing a finger at me like i'm "exploiting" then i'm going to have to insist he does the same.

ax? no response?

Same 3 audibles???? what are you talking about....here is some info I had 7 different receivers with a catch you had 3...

...here is my issue with you Grey...we have had 3 different players pipe in, Axe, Tiatan, and Boone who all say it looks cheesy...yet you still defend your style of play...like i said before, you didn't run the late pitch every play, just when it was needed...and the pitch off my player back late was the game winning TD, if you don't think that was crucial then I don't know what to think...

Everytime you audibled i knew exactly the same play you were picking. Thats what i meant. I knew when you audibled to run. When you did your corner route or the same crossing route.. Over and over and over again in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Thats what i mean. When you had that long drive in the fourth quarter. You would come out in a formation, then change your play like two times and it was the same three everytime.

And i didn't rely on the option when it was a crucial play. The pitch for a TD was on 2nd down. I mix my play calling up.

Anyway, i am free after 5:30pm eastern to replay the game. But you getting your WR back is bullshit.

running the same pass plays has nothing to do with spreading the ball around. so your telling me its ok for me to run verticals all game long as long as i pass to all 4 wrs and my hb or te?

soooo.... looks like me and macc will be up tonight? you good to go at like midnight central time or so tonight macc?

OKay okay, first of all. I'm quite upset with the way the situation was handled. Name calling, cmon guys leave that to the half ass organized OD's at OperationSports. I started this OF so that communication would be a benefit, not a detriment.

Grey, this is your first rodeo so if it sounds like I'm yammerin at you or being unfair, get used to the way things are aorund here. I try to be fair, I try to find a sollution that works for not only the two of you equally, but also the entire OD as a whole.

Gruden, to your creidt your often the one whose helping in these situations, so take a note to how "earning the benefit of the doubt" helps you around here.

I watched the video, I read 90% of the posts in this topic and from what I gather. That option to Seastrunk was a very, very lucky play. This is EXACTLY why I don't use very much option. It's so easy for the guy doing the option to say "sim football, sim football!" but when you're on the defensive side of it, there are so many frustrating angles, glitches and other BULLSHIT that prevent you from being successful defensively, DESPITE the fact that you've made the right play call and SHOULD have executed properly. There's nothing more frustrating than having made a tackle for loss, then have the opponent flip the ball to their 2nd option at the very last second, in what would be COMPLETELY unrealistic in real life.

Now, with that being said, Grey I think you have sim football misunderstood. Just because it's happened, or it even happens on a regular basis on Saturday afternoon's, does not mean that this Online Dynasty allows it. We do a horrendous job of informing you gentlemen before we throw you to the dogs and right into the action. Which is why I frown upon the sparaddic addition of members into the OD, because I for one work full time and don't have time to do the nit pick, organization aspect, little things that I once could around here.

HOwever, yes there have been members kicked out for excessive option. Will you be one of them? No.

However, Grey. Gruden is a very well respected member and part of the foundaiton of this dynasty. Calling him a sore loser bitch, WILL get you kicked out of here...despite your tremendous activity, addition to the recaps, bugging for advances, etc etc.

I can relate3 to being in Gruden's shoes a few times. This is why the option shouldn't be used.

Am I going to ban it and not allow it, no. There are users who use it well (Buc being for one). However, there NEEDS to be the understanding that late pitches are very, very, very benefitial to those who use them and very,very very frustratring to those who "attempt" to defend it.

Excessive use of the option, for instance, using option plays as much or more than you hand the ball off... completely unacceptable in my opinion. Do triple options plays where you hand the ball off to your fullback count as handoffs? Absolutely not.

I would reccomend shying away from the use of options if you care to further avoid these types of situations. I don't care what plays you call against the CPU, but I would try to not lean on those types of plays even against them, simply because CPU games are like practice for user games, you get all your plays ready and comfortable using them.. if you lean on them vs the CPU, you'll lean on them vs users and when you win because of an option play, 99.9% of the itme there will be posts here saying you're not sim.

If I could, and I had every one of you on board, I'd completely ban the entire use of option plays... in user games. If nobody was allowed to use it, it would eliminate the ENTIRE groaning process and we wouldn't have another arising situation like this. I doubt everybody would be on board, so that won't be an option.

But, from here furthermore, excessive use of option and/or options with late pitches... unnacceptable.

Grey said he was willing to replay the game, which is very very mature of him. If it works for the both of you, by all means play it again. That seems like what's fair. If this is the type of issue that last night caused words to be said and this morning, there's no so much tension, bottle it up and remember for when you two meet next season.

Let's no be calling eachother bitch or loser. We're all far to old and far too mature for that crap.

And in response specifically to the videos what's allowed and what isn't.

Video 1 - 53 yard rush by Seamonster

- This is a very, very lucky play. I don't know if Chris can be even pissed and not want this to be the type of play somebody else runs in a tight game. This is very, very, very risky due to the late, off balance pitch that fumbles around and SOMEHOW his running back comes down with. I don't know what the DLinemen were doing there, just taking up fuckin space. 9/10 times, this play is a fumble that gets recovered by the defence. A very lucky play, and a very very late pitch Grey. Not an acceptable play.

Video 2 - 7 yard rush by Seamonster

- Also another late pitch. Your guy is 80% through the tackling animation and just before his knee hits you pitch the ball. We all kno the fine line we cross with late pitches, and this isn't acceptable artound here because the game doesn't allow the defence to well, defend this type of play. If you're asking, "what am I to do, let him tackle me?" Yes, you are. That's the risk you run when you use the option in user games.

Video 3 - 19 yard pass to Seamonster

- Non play designed, immediate roll out? Sorry bro, once again not allowed around here. I'm not saying you did this all game, or this can't be done when you're down or even once and awhile. And I'm not sure if you made a habit of this, but if you want a roll out there are a few plays you can get a designed roll out without having to waste time with the play action. His defensive linemen are around, but certainly not threatening enough to call for an immediate roll out. Unless he had like 5 sacks allready in the game, I don't think an immediate roll out to a designed route into the flats is ever really acceptable. Also, this can be avoided by calling a playaction, and changing your running backs route. You'll still get the roll out.

Grey, this isn't me picking on you. This is just me voicing my opinion and letting you know what we can and can't do in user games. There's a fine line, and I don't think there's ever been a less than 10 point user game with National Title implications that an issue like this hasn't arose. Unfortunately, you're involved to see your first as opposed to watching from the sidelines and stating your opinion.

Hope you take this all well and understand we like you as a user around here, there's just some rules we have to follow. You do, have to your credit two victories over very well respected members here who didn't complain at all about your playcalling or execution. That certainly works for you in this situation. I'm sorry for this all crashing down on you instead of before you were added, which is why I didn't understand why users were added half way thru. I need to do a better job of explaining what's acceptable and what's allowed around here.