2013 Week 12 Discussion

"However, Grey. Gruden is a very well respected member and part of the foundaiton of this dynasty. Calling him a sore loser bitch, WILL get you kicked out of here...despite your tremendous activity, addition to the recaps, bugging for advances, etc etc."

LongGone24 i was totally respectful until Gruden started attacking me and mocking me out of frustration...which by definition is being a bitch. Sorry it just is. If I can get kicked out for retailiating and defending myself then idk what to say to that. I'm not gna sit on my hands while someone tells me that im a cheater and i exploited him the whole game with a bullshit option play blah blah blah. Thats dumb. I have played College Football since it was on Genesis and ive never been accussed of what he accused me of.

I was not told at all when i was invited to this dynasty any kind of Option policy whatsoever. Bucc used option all day on me in our game, and if he was tackled and pitched it, i wouldnt call to play the game over IF i lost. I would be more mad at myself for not having the right coverage called. Bc really thats all it is. I used the option play a total of 4 times with my game against Gruden. 4 times. Not 40. I didn't do that all game. But thats part of the game. Your handcuffing my offense by telling me i cant use option.

Like i said i will replay the game...but his WR Cooper who got injured in the first three plays of the game has to sit out. Theres no way thats fair to penalize me a win for something no one told me about, then on top of that give him a clean slate when no one addresses the issues i bring up with him. That sounds like Bias to me. Senority or not. I might be new, but whats fair is fair. And if you think its fair to replay the game then i will. But if your also going to handicap me with his WR Cooper then thats unfair to me.

In fairness to me, I didn't read every last post. I simply put my opinion in. I'm not saying your getting kicked out or you didn't get provoked, I'm telling you what's acceptable and what isn't. I have to step in to say something, may not always be what everyone wants to hear but I give my opinion and that's that.

There's no need to get defensive with me, I'm on your side here brother.

If you ran the option 4 times, I don't think that's unrealistic at all. In fact, I think there's been some games where I've ran an option 4-5 times. That's not the issue.

The issue is the late pitches.

You've really been avoiding certain aspects of peoples responses, and pinpointing others. Read and take it all in.

llcoolgrey wrote:

"However, Grey. Gruden is a very well respected member and part of the foundaiton of this dynasty. Calling him a sore loser bitch, WILL get you kicked out of here...despite your tremendous activity, addition to the recaps, bugging for advances, etc etc."

LongGone24 i was totally respectful until Gruden started attacking me and mocking me out of frustration...which by definition is being a bitch. Sorry it just is. If I can get kicked out for retailiating and defending myself then idk what to say to that. I'm not gna sit on my hands while someone tells me that im a cheater and i exploited him the whole game with a bullshit option play blah blah blah. Thats dumb. I have played College Football since it was on Genesis and ive never been accussed of what he accused me of.

I was not told at all when i was invited to this dynasty any kind of Option policy whatsoever. Bucc used option all day on me in our game, and if he was tackled and pitched it, i wouldnt call to play the game over IF i lost. I would be more mad at myself for not having the right coverage called. Bc really thats all it is. I used the option play a total of 4 times with my game against Gruden. 4 times. Not 40. I didn't do that all game. But thats part of the game. Your handcuffing my offense by telling me i cant use option.

Like i said i will replay the game...but his WR Cooper who got injured in the first three plays of the game has to sit out. Theres no way thats fair to penalize me a win for something no one told me about, then on top of that give him a clean slate when no one addresses the issues i bring up with him. That sounds like Bias to me. Senority or not. I might be new, but whats fair is fair. And if you think its fair to replay the game then i will. But if your also going to handicap me with his WR Cooper then thats unfair to me.

Grey your ability to embellish a story is really something....

1)Please show me in a post were I was mocking you...all I was trying to say was those late pitch were not SIM and it was BS...and wanted to get other players opinion's...and if they agreed with you I was to shut up...but by all that have posted on the subject agree with me that they don't think the late pitch is SIM, does that make sense were I'm coming from?.....I never called you any names, if I did I apologizes, but you were the one calling me a sore loser, and bitch

2)..."that im a cheater and i exploited him the whole game with a bullshit option play blah blah blah"....please show me were I called you a cheater and that I said you did it the whole game?...again your embellishing things to make your self feel better

3)4 times, really? again embellishment alert

4) It's interesting that you defend the use of the late option, by saying know one told you about the rule, kind of implies deep down you know it's a glitch, but just don't want to admit it?

5)..."WR Cooper who got injured in the first three plays"....again man, your really wearing me out....first 3 play's...really?

6)..I can replay the game later tonight after work, but really my bigger issue is if Grey doesn't see or agree with the philosophy that this is a glitch in the game or this is somehow legit style of play then what is the point?


Seriously the fun is being sucked out of this

Agreed. Which is why we need to put an end to this back and forth thing we've got going.

My aim wasn't to pick on you grey, just to explain what it is that isn't allowed here. I take full responsibility to not letting you know late option pitches aren't allowed, but I'm pretty sure everybody whose ever played this game would recognize after a play like that "okay maybe that pitch was a little unrealistic".

Chris, on that same token we don't need to rehash issues. I was hoping this was dead after last night. Let's not keep this going to and egg others on.

I'm in no rush for an advance only because I work today until 7 and have plans with the gf and I work until 6pm tommortow. I'm thinking tommorow night for our game, titan sorry bro. I've been putting my gf off wayy too much lately lol and well, I don't wanna stay up very late because I have a full day of work thursday and I have to be up around 7am.

Embelleshing...ok

1) I am not going to waist my time sifting through this thread to prove a mute point. You can go back and read if you want. My point was your tone, sarcasm and agitated aggressive state felt like a direct attack on my morals as a person and player. Saying you were a Sore Loser and stop being a bitch was wrong. And i apologize for that.

2) I don't know where you get the idea that you aggresively attacking a few plays i ran by embellishing what really happened could make me feel better. You continue to suggest that i exploited the game, and i really didn't. In every "SERIOUS" league i have ever played in, people option pitch and you learn to stop it. Thats how they play. I was never told when joining this OD that that was an illegal thing, and in my mind it still isnt. I will no longer use it now that i know its frowned upon. But I am not embellishing anything. Perhaps i spoke incorrectly, but i wasnt trying to embellish anything. Let alone make myself feel better about anything.

3) 4 times yes. 2 speed options. 2 sweep options. The rest were Sweep fakes for a dive, and 4WR sweeps by my slot reciever. I dont see how sweeps are option plays, so now your the one exaggerating.

4) In regards to the late option. Deep down i still don't think its a glitch. I have no problem stopping it. If thats what they choose to do, more power to them. I never used it with the intention of causing an unfair play, so to continue to suggest i have a deep down acknowledgement that using a late option pitch was by design to gain unfair yards is incorrect. Now that i know that is something people consider a "Glitch" i wont use it. But you need to stop attacking my character.

5) Yes your WR Cooper got hurt on your very first drive. In fact, i scouted all your OVeralls and key players, so i know who is who on your team. There was a injury alert on the bottom of the screen that said WR Cooper out for game. I remember bc right after that you complained about the slight lag which was right after i fumbled with my QB.

6) Philosphy wise reading your posts i can see how you feel a late pitch is an exploit and i will no longer do so bc it is a league rule. Do i agree its an exploit? No. And i dont have to. Thats my opinion. Since its the consencus, i will respect and adhere, but i dont have to agree.

and as far as the fun part? agreed...try being attacked for a day, getting a win taken away from you and being told your an embellshed exploiter and see how you feel brotha

i can play anytime after 5:30pm

Listen, whether its Gruden, Grey, Goatstain or anyone whose name starts with a G or has one vowel in it. I would've taken the same position I did. I have to do my job (once and awhile) and tell people what is what around here, and what's acceptable. Grey your last response seemed to be more along the lines of what I expect when there's issues, your apology and acceptance of the rule we have around here was very mature.

It's a lot to do with myself and Ax, adding a user before properly explaining the edicit around here.

If that game is replayed, it does seem only fair that your WR sits Gruden. If grey's willing to replay, that's veyr mature of him and it sounds like that WR out does have a big advantage in terms of his gameplanning defensively. I'm about to go to work, so don't chew me a new one thinking I can reply right away. I'll check when I get home, but it sounds to me like a replay is more than fair for you. And you sitting the receiver that was hurt immediately sounds fair for him.

Everybody wins.

9's: I say we kill him!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] Yeah!
Gruden: I say we hang him, *then* we kill him!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] Yeah!
9's: I say we stomp him!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] Yeah!
9's: Then we tattoo him!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] Yeah!
9's: Then we hang him...!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] YEAH!'!
9's: And then we kill him!
Q4TB Gang: [shout] YEAH!'!'!
Grey: [tries to throw voice without moving lips] I say we let him go.
Q4TB Gang: [shout] NO!'!'!
Goat: [whistles] I say ya let me have him first!
Q4TB Gang: [break out in raucous laughter]

9's are you comparing me to Butters?

I am at work and cannot look at the videos, but I wanna defend myself, I ran option alot, but I think I kept it with my QB Mills 90% of the time.

Even broke off a 60 yarder with him by keeping it. I also run a lot of read option which has nothing to do with pitching.

In fact, the only time I pitched unusally late for me, was in OT when it got intercepted, and I lost the freaking game LOL.

I'm trying to say in the nicest way possible....since you are new here...that the option late pitch is way way cheddar and utter bullshit...and its been known for at least 2 years that its a shitball tactic...after weighing the evidence...I notice in key moments in your Gruden game IE when you need to get a crucial 1st down...you used these shitball tactics....are you saying you dont' understand that its a shitty tactic? Thats the issue here and the question...you sure seemed to use it when you needed it....which tells me you knew it was an exploit......Gruden is as standup cat as you will ever meet in this thing we call life....I'll leave it at that

Just let it go 9's...comparing me to Butters and standing up for someone you know is fine. I know how to play this game and how i called my game. Your entitled to your opinion. I use the option sweep not just in crucial moments but all throughout my gameplan. The two pitch videos he posted were two plays in the game. You wanna pass judgement on the kind of player i am off that, thats your right. But i dont need to hear about Gruden being a stand up guy etc etc. Im a stand up guy too. Not a Jerk off. So dont talk or treat me like one.

llcoolgrey wrote:

Just let it go 9's...comparing me to Butters and standing up for someone you know is fine. I know how to play this game and how i called my game. Your entitled to your opinion. I use the option sweep not just in crucial moments but all throughout my gameplan. The two pitch videos he posted were two plays in the game. You wanna pass judgement on the kind of player i am off that, thats your right. But i dont need to hear about Gruden being a stand up guy etc etc. Im a stand up guy too. Not a Jerk off. So dont talk or treat me like one.

Who the fuck is butters? I changed around a funny quote from a Peewee Herman movie.....I never said anything about you or you as a player...but your denial to admit that those are indeed shitball tactics.....which is the whole point..leaves something to be desired...I'm not treating you or talking to you in anyway.....just admit those plays were not cool...and we can all go back to having fun...capice?

I don't remember the Pee Wee Herman Reference...but South Park must have stole it and reused it. And if you dont know who Butters is from South Park then ok.

I already explained my side. Scroll up. I don't agree with you that theyre shitball tactics. I dont have to agree with you or Gruden so drop it. None of my friends consider it "shitball tactics" and we all play sim straight up. I dont believe you actually watched our game, and i dont see a stat for the times i ran an option pitch so you must be psychic. I dont know where you get your KEY MOMENTS from but i actually run a different play during key moments.

And its a shame it leaves something to be desired. Luckily i dont really care what you desire.

The game is being replayed. It has now been explained to me that option pitches while being tackled are illegal and i wont do them. If you wanna hold your breath for me to agree with you, ill tap you when your blue and perform CPR on you with several pumps to your chest. Anything short of that and your waisting your time.

Capice?

anyways.... macc, i dont know if it is possible for me to wait that long bro lo

ok folks its done.. i just want to clarify something.. the option is not frowned upon.. u can run tripple option 50 times if u want.. this is the problem right now every one trying to dictate how ppl play.. play ur game the way u see fit as long as its fair and doesn't exploit a glitch.. not saying u did it intentionally grey..u were just playing but now u are aware.. decide what ur gonna do with the ball before ur 80% into the tackle motion....macc and the explaining the option rules is kinda bull ther is no option rules except dont pitch late.. i run the read option all the time an im not gonna stop its not cheese as long as u run it right.. gruden the wr sits.. if he went down then he went down..if thats all grey is asking for considering he will replay than fine.. also the audibles at the line ther are only 4.. I am The audible King around here i audible at the line 70% of the time.. so its not that i wanna run the same plays over and over.. but i have 4 options so i have to go with it.. so in grudens defense he isnt running the same plays over and over on purpose but when u audible those are ur options..ok so the issue is put to bed now..grey ur a good dude and i dont think its ppl ganging up on u as much as it is ppl just trying to explain the rules.. so dont feel no way.. and honestly at the end of the day it doesnt matter cause the winner has to see me in the bcs so its a lose/lose any way u put it.. cause im taking the trophy home this year...lol

I dont need you to agree with me....but thats the first time I've seen you state that you wont do those tactics anymore...and thats all I needed....no matter how many times a game these plays are called its too many....that was all i needed bro...and yes...I'm definitely not a South Park fan at all.....stop taking it personal...I was just taking the evidence presented to me....one love!

o ya and macc bullshit ur not playing ur user game tonight.. bout tomorrow night! ya right u better find that hour homeboy!

"Embelleshing...ok

1) I am not going to waist my time sifting through this thread to prove a mute point. You can go back and read if you want. My point was your tone, sarcasm and agitated aggressive state felt like a direct attack on my morals as a person and player. Saying you were a Sore Loser and stop being a bitch was wrong. And i apologize for that.

2) I don't know where you get the idea that you aggresively attacking a few plays i ran by embellishing what really happened could make me feel better. You continue to suggest that i exploited the game, and i really didn't. In every "SERIOUS" league i have ever played in, people option pitch and you learn to stop it. Thats how they play. I was never told when joining this OD that that was an illegal thing, and in my mind it still isnt. I will no longer use it now that i know its frowned upon. But I am not embellishing anything. Perhaps i spoke incorrectly, but i wasnt trying to embellish anything. Let alone make myself feel better about anything.

3) 4 times yes. 2 speed options. 2 sweep options. The rest were Sweep fakes for a dive, and 4WR sweeps by my slot reciever. I dont see how sweeps are option plays, so now your the one exaggerating.

4) In regards to the late option. Deep down i still don't think its a glitch. I have no problem stopping it. If thats what they choose to do, more power to them. I never used it with the intention of causing an unfair play, so to continue to suggest i have a deep down acknowledgement that using a late option pitch was by design to gain unfair yards is incorrect. Now that i know that is something people consider a "Glitch" i wont use it. But you need to stop attacking my character.

5) Yes your WR Cooper got hurt on your very first drive. In fact, i scouted all your OVeralls and key players, so i know who is who on your team. There was a injury alert on the bottom of the screen that said WR Cooper out for game. I remember bc right after that you complained about the slight lag which was right after i fumbled with my QB.

6) Philosphy wise reading your posts i can see how you feel a late pitch is an exploit and i will no longer do so bc it is a league rule. Do i agree its an exploit? No. And i dont have to. Thats my opinion. Since its the consencus, i will respect and adhere, but i dont have to agree.

and as far as the fun part? agreed...try being attacked for a day, getting a win taken away from you and being told your an embellshed exploiter and see how you feel brotha

i can play anytime after 5:30pm"

9's i actually apologized and said i wont use it Three different times in a past post. One love

ay caramba....we should all know by now that not all thoughts and emotions can be properly conveyed through the type written word......I hadnt seen you apologize....but had seen you continue to make excuses about said problem...that was where I was coming from....I saw a new cat....from what I have read....I was jazzed to have in this OD...and then I saw pretty much every member of this OD disagree with your tactics.....that was all it was....just wanted you to know, even though you're still being like the captain on the Titanic......Never said you were a total bunk player.....please realize I wasnt attacking you as a person or player in anyway....just wanted the proper reply.....I'm content

And i apologize for being short with you about the holding your breath thing. For the record though...i played two user games before Gruden and they can attest i play sim. Hopefully we can all put this behind us. Gruden ill be online ready to get the game in anytime after 5:30pm eastern so just let me know when your ready. Round 2. First one was a close battle so i expect nothing less.

Yea Macc...theres no such thing as tomorrow...Make us all proud and get your game in with Gator...otherwise hell be in a corner somewhere scratching himself going through Ncaa Football Withdrawl

yes macc, tonight son... lol

i need to play my game but then i have byes till conf champ week so im trying to wait to play it lol

My poor gf.

It goes down tonight! 12:15-12:30AM I won't be waiting, I won't be messaging. I'll sign on, if you're not on or not responsive, I'm goni to bed. BE THERE!

Also, Im gklad the way things turned out, it was getting ugly. Yes, let's all move on after they replay. Grey, don't get it twisted, we luv ya bro. No homo.

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