2014 Week 5 Discussion

then he was on his OWN 36....

yes sorry on his own 36...4th and inches up 14 points 2:19 remaining...he said he was going for the win? are you serious...i was out of Timeouts

yea that is not very sim.. i cant really see coaches doing that

love how boondock had commentary about me putting in extra linemen and te's and hb's on a run package when he uses lbers and his cb to catch dump offs with 99speed then goes for it on 4th down on his 36 yard line up 14 points, me no timeouts telling me he's going for the win. Comedy. Bullshit is wut it is

apparently hes under the impression that the 4th down rule only applies to the first half for like 4th and 3.

im really confused as to why nobody is here offering their input on this grey... i agree with you... i cant see too many coaches going for it in that situation...

sorry i havent been around.. but from what i read thats no bueno.. the game is sealed up 14 with no to so that a good reason..and he has subbed ppl into wher and did what?!

llcoolgrey wrote:

wow boondock up 14 on my 36 4th and inches and he goes for it...wtf is that

have to say i think a punt is in order at that point

When you have a few too mnany issues you start losing your benefit of the doubt around here.

That pisses ME off, Grey. I had absolutely nothing to do with the addition of Boondock, or yourself even but we all need to do a better job of explaining what's kosher around here when we sparadically add people. That situation, is not acceptable and thank god our game didnt connect because if he was pulling that shit on me, I\d be as livid as you are.

I'm gonna talk to a few people and see what will happen here.

He blitzed alot...moving all his players to the edge, which i dont have a problem with in terms of the blitzing, but moving your blitzers in position then switching players to cover the middle while jamming my wr's is a bit cheesey. I was able to work through it even though he sacked me 7 times.

He used a big package type of formation once or twice that i saw where he subbed in LBers as blockers and most of the game he used his CB Ayers who has 99 speed which is not really an issue since there are players that play both offense and defense. Still impossible to cover that flat

The one thing that pissed me off though was that 4th down play. I mean if your up 14 points and on ur own 36 and its 4th and inches and you tell me that your trying to win the game bc anything can happen im gna say thats bullshit. No real life coach would go for it and risk putting the opposing offense on their own 36 with 2min left up 14.

man boondock your CB had a Charles Woodson type of day
Rushing
CB Ryan Ayers 7-138 2TD Long 95
Receiving
CB Ryan Ayers 4-69 1TD Long 40

Kid is a beast....check out these ratings for a
Speed 99
Stamina 99
Jumping 95
Spin Move 92
Juke Move 91
Break Tackle 75
Elusiveness 81
Pursuit 90
Play Recognition 84
Man Coverage 99
Zone Coverage 93

llcoolgrey wrote:

He blitzed alot...moving all his players to the edge, which i dont have a problem with in terms of the blitzing, but moving your blitzers in position then switching players to cover the middle while jamming my wr's is a bit cheesey. I was able to work through it even though he sacked me 7 times.

He used a big package type of formation once or twice that i saw where he subbed in LBers as blockers and most of the game he used his CB Ayers who has 99 speed which is not really an issue since there are players that play both offense and defense. Still impossible to cover that flat

The one thing that pissed me off though was that 4th down play. I mean if your up 14 points and on ur own 36 and its 4th and inches and you tell me that your trying to win the game bc anything can happen im gna say thats bullshit. No real life coach would go for it and risk putting the opposing offense on their own 36 with 2min left up 14.

I understand your frustration with him going for it on 4th and inch, and reality it was not a very good call imho...punting it would have been the better and SIM call...

heads up here


Long night of Jr High Football.

I will play my game tomorrow afternoon around 3 or so

ok so the consensus here is that the call was not sim which i understand now but i ask you guys to look at this from my point of view as well as in the context of our specific game.

1) i literally JUST lost a game where i was in the same situation minutes left its 4th and 1 from my 40 and that time i decided to punt. he drives scores gets a fucking onside kick and wins.

2) my players could not stop his receivers. im sure you can agree with this grey i couldnt get a pick or swat to save my life you recievers always out jumped my guys or the ball would go RIGHT THROUGH their hands and into your guys. that was how you scored two of your touchdowns.

3) i had 3 3rd and 1's in that game and i converted all 3. if my line was getting the job done why wouldnt i put the game on their shoulders?

so thats the way i was looking at it fellas. i'd been in the same situation and punting bit me in the ass. i couldnt stop his passing offense and their was a high chance that i was gonna get those inches.

i'm not aware of the rule that says i have to punt if i'm a certain distance from the endzone. i assumed you punt when its realistic and you go for it when its realistic.

and i told you grey i wasnt trying to run up the score or cheat you or anything. i simply had more faith in my offense being able to get that yard than my D stopping your O. Given these circumstances i think a few coaches probably would have done the same thing

but you werent up 7 or 3...you were up two tds and i had no Timeouts and you were on my 36. If you were on the 50 yard line or on your side of the field then more power to you, but that wasnt sim. your justification would only make sense if i had all my timeouts and trailed by less than a 2 td lead with 2 minutes left in the game.

as for ayers: he hasnt played offense all season. hes my 3rd string back but i only use two backs in a game
the only reason he played today was because my backup is injured and you injured my starter for the game in the 1st half, and up to then he had only played 1 down.

i dont know about that linebacker thing but i think that would be a disadvantage if anything. i havent looked at their ratings but im pretty sure none of my backers can block. i did put my fullback in for short distance plays and i dont see whats wrong with that.

Boonedock not to pile on, and for the record don't think your move was the most egregious non SIM move in the history of OD...and I think if you had to do over you would probable punt next time?.....I doubt any coach would do that in a real game, less Mike Leach LOL...but it really was kind of risky call...had you got stuffed you had a far better chance of losing vs punting and forcing him to score twice, get an onside kick all with no TO... again it's not the worst non SIM move, but I can see why Grey is upset.

boondock3691 wrote:

as for ayers: he hasnt played offense all season. hes my 3rd string back but i only use two backs in a game
the only reason he played today was because my backup is injured and you injured my starter for the game in the 1st half, and up to then he had only played 1 down.

i dont know about that linebacker thing but i think that would be a disadvantage if anything. i havent looked at their ratings but im pretty sure none of my backers can block. i did put my fullback in for short distance plays and i dont see whats wrong with that.

well maybe you have found a new HB, guy is a stud, surprised he only rated 89 as a CB.....pretty impressive ratings....

Again, i dont know what you want me to tell you. I thought it was not only sim but the right call given the circumstances. i guess you guys dont. but it seems that everyone has a slightly different interpretation of what "sim" is. so i guess there needs to be some sort of layout as to what "sim" really is.
Grey, i already apologized to you but i'm not gonna say that i blatantly cheated or cheesed because i think it was the smart call. aggressive? maybe but damn smart.

i ask you this though: truthfully, had it backfired would you have complained? truthfully?

absolutely would have complained. you punt on 4th on your side of the field unless your down. even if it backfired chances are i would have lost. its the ethics...you can be aggressive when your not up 14 on your own side of the field. that was the bullshit.

i odnt think so, Ayers is damn fast but i value a guy who can hold onto to the football.
dudes a beast no doubt but that like 50 carry rating is scary.

boondock3691 wrote:

i odnt think so, Ayers is damn fast but i value a guy who can hold onto to the football.
dudes a beast no doubt but that like 50 carry rating is scary.

ya, I can understand that.....can't get over the speed at 99 and man coverage 99 pretty awesome!

yup hes definitely got sick ratings, its a shame it doesnt transfer on the field:
dude has like 75 catch rating and droped a pick litterally right to him.
then on a deep pass hes in perfect coverage, jumps up times it perfectly and lets the ball go right through his hands for a tocuhdown smh....

Not a sim call, at all.

You punt the ball I don't care how little faith you have in your offence. The only time it's acceptable to be going for it on fourth is when you have a lead 6 or less, and your over your opponents 50. It's never acceptable to go for it on 4th, ESPECIALLY up 14 and on your own 35.

You've had your warning, I don't want to be seeing issues continuing to arise.

is buc the last one left?